July 25, 2017
So the debate on the bill will begin.
I am torn on this.
Basically, my primary concern is not having to hear about it anymore, because I don’t care if fat people die of chronic diabetes or whatever, and in fact for the most part wish they would.
So I’d like to see it passed for that reason, whatever it is. No one cares.
However… the President’s conflict with the Congress over this bill has been so high profile that if they thwart him on this, then he can really go all-out attacking them, and even endorse competitors in 2018.
As he has said a million times now, they have talked for 7 years about doing this, he’s got his pen in his hand, and they won’t do it.
Because I understand marketing, I understand that he has purposefully set this up where as if they don’t pass it, he will be able to really go hard against them and support challengers in elections.
Senate Republicans on Tuesday resuscitated their health care legislation for now, narrowly clearing it past a key hurdle with the help of Sen. John McCain’s dramatic return to the chamber for the first time since his brain cancer diagnosis.
The Senate voted 51-50 to start debate, with Vice President Pence casting the tie-breaker. The procedural vote once again brings the ObamaCare overhaul legislation back from the brink of collapse, after intense prodding from President Trump who had pressured senators to skip recess until they act on health care.
The bill still faces a tough road ahead. But it was a heavy lift just to get to this point.
No Democrats supported the motion, leaving Republicans to corral the necessary 50 votes. They got exactly that, requiring Pence to break the tie, for the fifth time under the Trump administration.
The airtight vote made McCain’s return all the more significant, as the measure could not have advanced without him.
The result was kept in suspense for a while. Sens. Susan Collins, of Maine, and Lisa Murkowski, of Alaska, voted no from the start. Several other Republican senators then delayed casting their vote, with no wiggle room left for additional defections on the GOP side.
Susan and Lisa are both women, btw.
Just so you know.
Your right-wing women, thwarting Donald Trump.
Applause then broke out as McCain entered the chamber, pointing at his colleagues and shaking hands. As he joined, the last GOP holdout, Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., voted with the Arizona senator to start debate.
Trump applauded the development in a statement, urging the Senate to follow through:
“I applaud the Senate for taking a giant step to end the Obamacare nightmare. As this vote shows, inaction is not an option, and now the legislative process can move forward as intended to produce a bill that lowers costs and increases options for all Americans. The Senate must now pass a bill and get it to my desk so we can finally end the Obamacare disaster once and for all.”
Tuesday’s procedural vote kicks off what is likely to be another intense round of debate on health care, in which senators are sure to propose numerous changes to the plan – which could either boost or doom its chances. If a bill passes, it would still have to be reconciled with the House version.
McCain warned colleagues after the test vote that he would not support the bare-bones, “shell” bill in its current form as he urged lawmakers from both parties to reach across the aisles.
“We’re getting nothing done my friends,” McCain said from the floor, adding “something has to be done” on health care.
Honestly, I was hoping to be able to make fun of him here, but he did an okay job.
I expected a presentation like at the Comey hearing.
He also gave a speech after the vote passed.
Sort of a goodbye speech I guess. Trying to get people to remember him fondly.
Well, no dice, buddy. We hate you now and we will hate you after you’re dead. We will mock you and mock your family when you die, and we will spread all of the horrible information that will be released about you after your death.
As the test vote began, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., urged his Republican colleagues to follow through on campaign promises to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.
“We have a duty to act. … The president is ready with his pen,” he said. “We can’t let this moment slip by.”
Moments earlier, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., beseeched Republicans to “turn back”
“We know the ACA is not perfect. But we also know what you’ve proposed is much worse,” he said.
A rowdy group of protesters also interrupted the start of proceedings, chanting, “kill the bill, don’t kill us” and “shame.”
Yeah that was weird as hell.
You can’t see them in the video, but apparently they were in the public part of the Senate building.
They shows the damage fake news can do to people. They think they’re going to die.
The people who will get “kicked off health insurance” are actually just people who don’t want to pay for it that won’t be forced to.
As I have said, I go to the doctor less than once a year and do not need health insurance. Most people under 60 do not.
If I have an accident, I will go to the emergency room and just refuse to give them my name and not pay it. I have done this after car accidents and one time when a black robbed me and sliced my skull with a knife.
The medical industrial complex is a gigantic scam working with the food industrial complex and the government to keep a very unhealthy population paying a lot of money for no good reason.
It would make sooooo much more sense for the government to:
- Put regulations on food
- Educate the public on health and fitness
- Offer programs for health and fitness, such as free gyms
- Put regulations on pharmaceuticals
And so on.
The reason healthcare is such a big deal in this country is because people are so unhealthy.
Oh and the other reason: people fear death so much that they are willing to blow huge amounts of money on extending their lives an extra couple of months.
That is stupid and wrong. Those extra months are either spent in misery or drugged out of your mind anyway – just die. Everyone has to do it.
I’m not saying “just let old people die,” but this “end of life care” is a scam industry that only causes misery for the individual and for the family that has to sit there and watch a slow death, which often involves mutilation – cutting off body parts. That is good for absolutely no one, and though as with all statistics like this it isn’t totally clear, but it looks like roughly a quarter of all healthcare costs are spent on people in the last six months of their life.
I think the social issue of how sick it is to try and keep someone alive in misery when they’re going to die in a couple months either way is the bigger issue than the cost. But solving that human issue by making it a public thing that people talk about – I think most families spend this money without thinking, being manipulated by bloodthirsty medical professionals – would also save us money.